Economist reacts to podcast guests bashing economic science

Money & Macro · 2025-11-18 · 29 min
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Economist Joeri argues economic forecasts are unreliable, while models often omit bank money creation and inequality.
Economist Joeri responds to three common attacks on economics: that it is not a real science, that its models are outdated, and that studying it is a waste of time. He agrees macroeconomics cannot run controlled experiments on an entire economy, and humans can react to forecasts; he also argues a trader’s winning streak cannot be distinguished reliably from luck, citing experiments in which monkeys and even a cat beat professionals. On models, Joeri acknowledges that standard frameworks can omit bank money creation and inequality, but says researchers have developed richer models, including agent-based simulations and inequality-focused variants. These bring trade-offs: greater complexity makes models harder to interpret and more vulnerable to errors. He says university teaching often lags research, yet recommends studying economics at departments that teach multiple schools of thought, economic history, and empirical methods. His conclusion: economics is an imperfect but genuine social science, and its models and education deserve criticism without dismissing the field altogether.
Chapters
- 0:00Intro: Joeri’s three criticisms of economics, from scientific validity to education
- 1:19Economists make bad predictions? Joeri explains why Covid stimulus and human behavior complicate forecasts
- 6:44Gary’s second claim: trader success is not proof, as monkey and cat experiments show
- 11:07Advertising Sponsor
- 12:39Are economic models outdated? Saylor’s feedback critique and Joeri’s agent-based modeling experience
- 16:37Richard Werner: three banking theories and the growing inclusion of bank-created money in models
- 21:09Gary’s take on economic models: representative agents omit inequality, though research offers alternatives
- 24:10Is economic education bad? Joeri weighs Steve Keen’s criticism against research and teaching constraints
- 26:38Conclusion: Choose economics programs with pluralist teaching and a strong empirical focus
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